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Sonar Trainer · 2D sonar

Can you tell a fish's size from its arch?

Not from one 2D arch. A bigger fish off to the side of your track draws an arch of the same length, and on a narrow cone nearly the same strength, as a smaller fish straight underneath. Arch length and echo strength both come down to how far into the beam the fish is painted, and a single beam cannot tell you which way, or how far, the fish is off your track.

Fish A · 8 in, 0 ft off track
Arch length
3.0 s
Peak echo
+6.1 dB
Top reads
25.0 ft
Fish B · 24 in, 5.7 ft off track
Arch length
3.0 s
Peak echo
+5.7 dB
Top reads
25.6 ft

Both screens share one time scale and one range window, zoomed in so the curve is visible.

What the screen tells you

Indistinguishable.

Same mark. Arch length within 0%, peak echo within 0.4 dB, top reading within 0.6 ft. An 8-inch and a 24-inch fish, and nothing on this 2D screen says which is which.

Under the track, bigger fish do draw longer arches

Start with the case the folk rule is built on. Every fish straight under the boat, 25 ft, 20° cone, 2 mph, 85% sensitivity:

Arch length for fish of each size straight under the track
Fish lengthArch lengthPingsPeak echo
4 in0.3 s4+0.1 dB
8 in3.0 s45+6.1 dB
12 in3.8 s57+9.6 dB
16 in4.3 s65+12.1 dB
24 in4.9 s74+15.6 dB
32 in5.3 s80+18.1 dB

A louder echo clears the display threshold further out from the centre of the beam, so a big fish is painted across more of the cone and stays on screen longer. Peak echo is how far the strongest return clears the threshold. If every fish swam straight under your transducer, arch length would be a fair size gauge.

Off the track, the same arch can be any size

They don't. A fish off to one side is crossed along a shorter chord of its painted circle and never comes closer to the centre of the beam than its sideways distance allows. Both cut the arch down. Move a big fish out far enough and its arch shrinks to exactly the one a small fish draws dead centre. Every row here draws a 3.0 s arch, the same as an 8-inch fish straight under the boat at 25 ft, 20° cone, 2 mph, 85% sensitivity:

Fish of each size, and how far off the track it must be to draw the same arch as an 8-inch fish straight under
Fish lengthOff trackArch lengthPeak echoTop reads
8 in0 ft3.0 s+6.1 dB25.0 ft
12 in3.4 ft3.0 s+5.9 dB25.2 ft
16 in4.5 ft3.0 s+5.8 dB25.4 ft
20 in5.2 ft3.0 s+5.7 dB25.5 ft
24 in5.7 ft3.0 s+5.7 dB25.6 ft
30 in6.3 ft3.0 s+5.6 dB25.8 ft
36 in6.7 ft3.0 s+5.5 dB25.9 ft

Arch length matches exactly, by construction. The peak echo also lands within a fraction of a dB, and that part is not a coincidence. In this model, how long a fish stays painted and how strong its loudest return is are both set by the same quantity: how far its echo clears the threshold at its closest approach to the centre of the beam. For small angles the two are locked together:

(arch length · speed / 2)² ≈ depth² · (cone/2)² · peak / 6

With peak in dB over the threshold and the cone in radians. Read it as: once you know depth, speed and cone, arch length and echo strength are the same measurement made twice. A second clue about size isn't there to be had. The only remaining difference is the top of the arch: the off-track fish reads a little deeper, because the screen plots slant range. That is a fraction of a foot here, and you don't know the true depth to compare it against.

How exact the twin is depends on the cone

The small-angle lock loosens as the cone widens. Matching a 24-inch fish to an 8-inch one at 25 ft:

For each cone angle, how close a 24-inch twin comes to an 8-inch fish under the track
Cone24 in fish off trackPeak echo weaker byTop reads deeper by
12°3.3 ft0.1 dB0.2 ft
20°5.7 ft0.4 dB0.6 ft
40°12.9 ft1.6 dB3.1 ft
60°24.1 ft3.3 dB9.7 ft

On a wide cone the big fish has to sit so far out that its echo comes back a few dB weaker and its top reads noticeably deeper. That is a different mark from the small fish underneath, but the difference points the wrong way: the bigger fish comes back weaker, not stronger. Narrow cones make arches more comparable; they do not make them a ruler.

Depth stretches every arch

The beam is wider the deeper you go, so the same fish stays in it longer. Arch length for a fish straight under the track, 20° cone, 2 mph:

Arch length in seconds by fish size and depth
Fish lengthat 10 ftat 20 ftat 30 ftat 40 ftat 60 ft
6 in0.9 s1.8 s2.8 s3.7 s5.5 s
12 in1.5 s3.1 s4.6 s6.1 s9.2 s
20 in1.9 s3.7 s5.6 s7.5 s11.2 s

A 6-inch fish at 40 ft draws a 3.7 s arch; a 20-inch fish at 10 ft draws 1.9 s. Comparing arch lengths at different depths compares the cone, not the fish. Boat speed scales every number the same way: half the speed, twice the length.

What would tell them apart

The missing number is where the fish is sideways. Anything that measures that removes the ambiguity: a second beam aimed differently, or a sonar that draws a picture across the track instead of down it. This page models one downward beam, so it can't show you those; it can only show you why one beam isn't enough.

The same reasoning applies to fish-symbol modes that put a small, medium or large icon on screen. Whatever a unit's algorithm does, a single 2D return gives it the same two clues this model has. We haven't modelled any brand's algorithm and make no claim about one.

What this model leaves out

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